kiji_kat ([info]kiji_kat) wrote,
@ 2006-11-09 11:56:00
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Current location:work
Current mood: discontent
Current music:My Chemical Romance - House of Wolves
Entry tags:emo, life

If you look in the mirror and don't like what you see...
This was inspired by an essay that [info]onceupon wrote, though it's not nearly as positive as hers. If you want an essay about embracing your body, you'll want to look elsewhere.

This isn't easy stuff, and it's not pretty, either. There's a possibility that I might piss a few people off, though that's not at all my intent. So I want to apologize in advance, because I love my friends. It's not them, it's me.

Lastly, I'm leaving this public. I considered locking it, I considered group locking it, but dammit, if my boyfriend is brave enough to leave his personal essays public, then so am I.

That said, it is cut. Because it's long as hell.

There is a red haori that still hangs in my closet. It was given to me by my mother when I was about five or six; when I was that young, it served as a robe I could wear when pretending to be a princess or a martial arts master, depending on my mood. Naturally, I asked her where she got it.

"It was from a campaign," she said. "Back when I was a model. Back when I was pretty."

So years ago, my mama was a model. It was never anything big time - just some promotional work from when she used to work at a mall cosmetics counter. They'd do her up and send her out to pose and point people to whatever latest and greatest product they were shilling. My child mind didn't understand why this still wasn't the case - at the time, my mother was the most beautiful woman in the world. I asked her why she didn't model anymore. She gazed off for a moment.

"Because," she said. "That's when I was thin."

I learned from a very early age what beauty is.

I've never considered myself a beautiful woman. That distinction was always out of my reach, something that was reserved for the tall and blonde in my school classes. And there were plenty of them - growing up in a Wonderbread white town meant that there were plenty of willowy, flaxen-haired, all-American girls running about, each of them looking like the perfect child models you see in Nordstrom ads (and, if memory serves correctly, at least one of them did some modeling). I served not so much as diversity than as contrast: darker complexion, shorter stature, and most notably, a heavier build. Chubby. Stout. Fat.

I learned to hate that last word. Because it not only described me, but it told a story - a story about a stubborn body that refused to change, despite sweat, tears, and more diets than I care to remember. People tell you to love your body, to revel in its shape and feel and curves, but I don't understand that. I never have. How can you love something that is so obviously not right, and refuses to get right? Shopping for clothes became torture as time went on, my mother continually running back and forth from dressing room to rack, trying to find clothes that would fit me properly, tsking and glaring and complaining and rolling her eyes at the increasingly losing propositions. There were diets in grade school, scales in junior high, tape measures in high school, and constant harping on me to exercise and eat right through it all. Again, I was separate. All my other friends could eat what they wanted and remain slender, and I could not.

My view of the other girls shifted from admiration to jealousy to hatred to resentment. In my mind, they were born beautiful by virtue of their thinness. It's a thought that still haunts me to this day, a quiet, simmering knowing in the back of my mind that comes to the fore when I think of my thinner, and therefore more beautiful, friends. I love them all dearly. They're the sisters I never had. I'd endure all manner of torture and agony for them. I'd take a bullet for them, lay down my life for them if it came to that.

But that doesn't mean that part of me doesn't resent them for being what I am not - even when I know it's wrong.

Still, I carried on, since that's what humans do. If I couldn't be thin and beautiful, I'd be something else. My body might be a lost cause, but I still had a perfectly able mind. If I couldn't be pretty, I'd be smart instead.

And though that could be up for debate, I like to think I'm not too shabby in that area. I found my strengths - writing, history, languages, music. I played violin, sang in choirs, took Spanish in high school and Japanese in college. My math skills were usually low, but I cleaned up in every advanced class I took in high school. I could take on one of the smartest guys in our high school class in debates (he's off at law school now - hi, Geoff) and hold my own. Teachers adored me; classmates were awed and a little spooked by my ability to absorb information. I didn't need to fret about looks. That's what I told myself, anyway. I wasn't meant to be beautiful, I was meant to be smart. We're all here for a reason, and mine wasn't to be attractive.

But even with all these accomplishments, my appearance was always in the back of my mind. I continued to gain weight, especially when I was in college. I denied it, ignored it, hoped the problem would disappear, because I didn't want to deal with it anymore. By this point, I regarded my body as a biological machine that kept my brain alive, nothing more. And the machine certainly wasn't doing itself any favors. I'd never particularly cared for by body, but what it was doing now was insubordination bordering on sabotage. When I tried to work out, I would get a strangling bout of asthma. (The closest I have ever come to hitting someone was when a friend suggested that these bouts were merely psychosomatic.) When I tried to keep up with friends in martial arts (don't ask), I would get overheated. And then there were the joints, or more specifically, the right shoulder. The appeal of doing just about anything goes down exponentially when one slip, one wrong move, one stretch or one toss of a ball can result in the screaming, star-seeing, pain-induced hallucination agony brought on by a dislocation. It was the same story from so many years ago. My friends could do things, and I could not. All because of my body.

I hated my body.

Even now, it's an uneasy truce, but back then it felt like the ultimate hostage situation. The brain controls all automatic functions - kill the brain, the heart stops and the body dies. But the body provides oxygen and blood to the brain, that which enables me to cover for my lack in the looks department. Do anything too drastic to the body, and there's a chain reaction that damages and kills the brain. Two people in a small room pointed loaded pistols at each other. And each one knowing that to shoot would be suicide.

I started exercising nightly so I wouldn't be a hypocrite. Plenty of people complain about their weight but do nothing to remedy the situation, and I knew that if I wanted a right to bitch, I at least had to be making an effort to change things so I'd have a legitimate thing to rail against. I have no idea if it works or not - people tell me it has, but I have yet to see any difference myself. Some clothes are looser, some are not. I look better some days than others. I try not to track it, truth be told. I still don't want to deal with it; I just want it to be over.

And I don't understand people who tell me to love my body. It's good for them if they can love their own, but I don't forsee myself loving mine until it's what I've always wanted it to be. Even then, it'll still be blighted - my right shoulder saw to that by breaking down and requiring surgery. Several inches of scar tissue forever serves as a reminder that the body is a machine, one that can break down with no warning. Where is the beauty in that?

Despite all of this though, I've had one hell of a miracle in the past few months. I have a boyfriend - and not just any boyfriend. I have a boyfriend who exceeds expectations, who treasures me and treats me with respect and who shows me on a daily basis that he loves me. I have a boyfriend who, defying all my logic and carefully constructed theories, thinks I'm beautiful. Sexy, even.

And at the same time that that thrills me, it also scares me to death.

Because he's never seen me. All of me, I mean. I've always worn clothes to conceal my body, but I won't have that option in March. I promised I'd teach him to swim, and that means a bathing suit. It means I have nowhere to hide.

Relationships are based on trust and truth, and come March, he'll see the truth.

Sometimes people don't like what they see.

That's not going to stop me, mind you. I'm getting into that pool no matter how I look, because this isn't just some whim. Knowing how to swim is very, very important in my book. Even if it's not your idea of fun, swimming is an effective way to keep yourself from drowning, and accidents do happen. At the lowest common denominator, swimming is like CPR - you may never use it, but you'd better know how to do it. I'll be damned if I let my insecurities keep me from doing this for him.

But it would be a lot easier if I was like everyone else. And so the body I've run from for so long has come back to haunt me.

It's going to be an interesting five months.




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[info]tyrell
2006-11-09 05:07 pm UTC (link)
The Kate Moss photo that started "heroin chic" was in the paper today. She's so thin she looks like a pre-teen boy.

Comments at the time were along the lines of "Why would people want this? It's paedophilic and she looks like a junkie."

And, see, that's what normal people think. Not the (mostly gay men) who run the fashion industry, or the insecure hollywood actresses who used to be hot and now look strained and fragile, but real people. SHE LOOKS ILL AND NON-FEMALE. We need curvy bits to identify females, see.

My girlfriend can't get into her "big" set of jeans. I don't care in the slightest. Your guy won't either.

Also: You think scar tissue isn't sexy? :)

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-09 06:10 pm UTC (link)
God, leave it to you to get me smiling. I went from emo to giggling in about 10 seconds. Thanks so much.

The Kate Moss photo that started "heroin chic" was in the paper today. She's so thin she looks like a pre-teen boy.

It's funny you should say that, because that whole whole trend started when I was about...hmm...13? 14? An age when I was impressionable enough to see Kate Moss and think, "So that's what beauty is? That's what guys like?" For some reason, I haven't been able to shake that.

Your girlfriend is a lucky woman, and you're an awesome guy. Oh, and as far as scars...it kinda looks like a big nightcrawler worm. Not exactly the picture of elegance. ;)

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[info]onceupon
2006-11-09 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I think you've summed up how a lot of women feel (regardless of their size) about their bodies. I think, in some way, self-acceptance is easier for me because when I was rejecting the notion that fat automatically equals bad, I was also rejecting most of the other narrow-minded and horrible things that some of my family members believe and hold dear. If they were wrong about gay people and black people, why, they might be wrong about fat people as well! My family and I have a sort of uneasy truce at this point when it comes to weight. They'd be happier if I were skinnier, but they'll settle for me having kids at some point. *headshake*

I also don't think that everyone HAS to be okay with being fat. It seems counter-productive to hate yourself, but a desire to change one's body isn't necessarily unhealthy. My sense of aesthetics is pretty wide-ranging and more and more, lately, I've clued in to how much of a double-standard it is for me to think other women like myself are beautiful but not appreciate the good things about my own body.

The important thing here is choice. Fat is not a moral problem. The cultural expectation that fat women be invisible is just... wrong to me. The cultural expectation that I hate myself is just wrong.

If your aesthetic sensibilities mean you would like yourself better as a thinner person, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that. Do what makes you happy, as long as it doesn't cause you or anyone else harm, you know?

Also, the path to being okay with your body as is.... It's not a short one. I think it's nearly impossible to go from all out hating your body to loving it in one step. For me, it was a very conscious and deliberate thing. Every time I looked at my body and negative things came to mind, I made myself find just as many good things to say as there were bad. Some days that might be as small as "Hey, okay, the skin where my shoulder meets my body is soft. That's good." You go from there.

And knowing how to swim is TOTALLY important. Go you for teaching someone who doesn't know how!

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-09 06:19 pm UTC (link)
It seems counter-productive to hate yourself, but a desire to change one's body isn't necessarily unhealthy.

And that's the oddity of it. I don't hate myself - I'm actually kinda proud of all the stuff I've done in my life. By and large, I am a pretty rockin' chick, if I do say so myself. The only part of me that makes me seriously insecure is my body, something which should really be a minor footnote in all this. And it's also all me - my boyfriend hasn't complained, my friends reassure me that I'm fine...it's all self-contained wank. That's really why I wrote this: I figured it was time to just toss it out in the open, consequences be damned.

Your essay was incredible, by the way, and I don't want you to get the impression that it led me to make a negative post. If anything, it forced me to really take a look at how I see myself physically, and it convinced me that it's time to start talking about these things instead of hiding them and hoping they'll go away. And for that, I thank you.

Welcome to the blog. And thanks. :)

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And I forgot about the swimming
[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-09 07:08 pm UTC (link)
Yes indeed, it's important. Especially for my incredible Boy, who is Irish. I mean, he lives on an island, fer god sake!

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[info]suzanna_o
2006-11-09 05:13 pm UTC (link)
I think this is a great post.

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-09 06:21 pm UTC (link)
Really? I was all worried that it would be too emo and wank-tastic.

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[info]jumpinjessflash
2006-11-09 05:21 pm UTC (link)
I'm not going to tell you to love your body. Hell, I struggle with mine on a daily basis, even though I'm inching my way towards acceptance. The fact that your mother instilled in you, from a younge age, that thinness was neccessary for beauty makes me want to weep. How can you love something that is so obviously not right, and refuses to get right?
What defines right? I don't agree that being thin is right for everyone.
All that being said, what would change if you lost the weight? How would your life be different?

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-09 06:33 pm UTC (link)
The fact that your mother instilled in you, from a younge age, that thinness was neccessary for beauty makes me want to weep.

But see, for me that's just par for the course. Thin is beautiful, fat is not. And given the choice, it is far preferable to be slightly emaciated than to be slightly chubby. Because it just...is. I know that sounds weird to people, but for me it's no more strange than saying that the sky is blue. There's no need to question; it's just the way things are.

As far as how my life would change, I know I'd be a lot more confident. I would do more things that I've wanted to do, wear things I've always wanted to wear - basically, be uninhibited by thoughts of, "I will look like a complete idiot if I do this, because I don't have the body to pull this off." When I sang solos in choir, I'd say about 95% of my stage fright wasn't if I'd forget the words or not hit the notes - it was all the people out there thinking about how fat I was. Seriously. Singing is easy as hell, but you can't hide yourself on stage.

I also wouldn't be preoccupied with what people "really" thought of me, including Boy. I want to believe people when they tell me that I look fine, but I always wonder whether they mean it, or if they're just sparing my feelings. As my mom once told me when I told her my friends thought I looked fine, "Of course they're going to say that - they're you're friends. They're just being nice."

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[info]mavra_chang
2006-11-09 11:02 pm UTC (link)
As my mom once told me when I told her my friends thought I looked fine, "Of course they're going to say that - they're you're friends. They're just being nice."

My mom says this stuff to me ALL THE TIME. Just repeat to yourself "It's just a Piscean mom thing, it's just a Piscean mom thing, it's just a Piscean mom thing..." (:

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-10 02:12 am UTC (link)
Good god, what up with that, you know? Though it's good to know I'm not the only one.

It doesn't help that I'm a Gemini. It's that whole healthy dose of paranoia that we have that keeps us from being complete Vulcans. "What she says is illogical...but what if she's right?"

I'll have to remember this, though. You're the best Angie ever. :)

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Darth Martha
[info]faeriechild
2006-11-10 03:49 am UTC (link)
struck again.

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[info]mavra_chang
2006-11-10 04:14 am UTC (link)
I think it's because, at least with my mom, she can be SO illogical, to the point where she reacts emotionally to things and acts like her emotions are the FACTS of the matter. Not that there's anything wrong with reacting emotionally to something, but to act as if there can't be any other viewpoints is just maddening. (That might be my Libra Rising coming out, though.)

And Geminis aren't the Vulcans of the Zodiac, that goes to the Aquariuses. ;)

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-10 04:16 am UTC (link)
Oh god, I totally see your point. Because you CANNOT reason with her when she's in high panic mode. It DOES NOT HAPPEN.

And Geminis aren't the Vulcans of the Zodiac, that goes to the Aquariuses.

What are we, then? I mean, apart from crazy.

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[info]mavra_chang
2006-11-10 03:38 pm UTC (link)
I'd say perhaps hyper-hypos? ;)

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[info]mykeamend
2006-11-09 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I don't think many people really feel comfy in their own skin.

I have blue eyes, I want brown. I am thin, I'd rather be heavy. I am seldom ever fond of being tall... etc..

But even if I did manage to reach any personal goals for my figure, I still somehow doubt that I would realize when I was there.

Regardless, people love you for you or they don't. I don't think I have dated anyone who did not hate their body for some reason or another, and at least twice it has been weight issues.

The only issues I ever had with any of their appearances, was that even though I had a pretty good idea or rather knew how they were built - I still had to deal with the self-consciousness and everything that entailed.

I hate turning the lights off. I hate having to stay home and feeling sorry for someone who is afraid to leave the house. I hate having to tell someone time and time again, truthfully, that who they are is the most important thing and the biggest turn on. Typically, it is the lack of confidence or being overly self-critical that tends to screw things up.

A soulful and intelligent girl with pretty eyes, or a pretty smile, or not - really - is worth a thousand vacuous, or self-absorbed 'hotties' - and especially when someone is looking long term. This especially when you get into alternative cultures; guys are hardly even a fraction as superficial as you might belive.

Beauty fades, bodies fail, character only builds.

And scars are sexy.

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-09 06:37 pm UTC (link)
The only issues I ever had with any of their appearances, was that even though I had a pretty good idea or rather knew how they were built - I still had to deal with the self-consciousness and everything that entailed.

That's part of why I wrote this. Everything else seems to be perfect in our relationship, and I'll be damned if I let my issues ruin it. The time has come to stop hiding, get this out in the open, deal with it, and move on. It's not his job to counsel me, and he deserves a woman who is confident and whole.

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[info]mykeamend
2006-11-10 10:27 am UTC (link)
You are probably more attractive than you give yourself credit for.

And to the good guys - there is nothing more beautiful than the girl you're in love/serious-like with - hands down; It isn't being blind, it is simply seeing in more than two dimensions.

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"So Obviously Not *RIGHT*- what is right?" Go Jess!
[info]trystanknight
2006-11-09 06:23 pm UTC (link)
(and you thought you were long winded ;) )

I'm going to sit here and tell you to do something you asked me not to. I'm going to stand in defiance of all that have commented before me, and I'm going to speak from a place of knowing, not just guessing.

I hate how I look. *HATE* IT. When I see myself in my mind (Residual self-image, Neo, your digital reflection of your mental self), I see myself as a somewhat thin, toned individual with WAY more angular features (I *hate* rounded features on men aesthetically. Can't say anything else since I'm straight). Instead (hey, as long as we're just sitting here exposing our hearts, may as well show my pics --) I get THIS SHIT.

Even though, thanks VERY largely to a wonderful woman named Azure, and partially to the inimitable [info]jumpinjessflash, I've come to accept who I am AND what I look like, and still feel sexy. (I'm actually flirting lately with the beautiful brunette down the hall at work.) I still feel *different* inside, like I was put into the wrong body. Maybe I was supposed to be Jensen Ackles, in interviews my friends have noticed he has my sense of humor ;) Hehe.

Sorry, staying serious - My arguement is not just that. Society's concepts of a 'hot male' are not universal. Certainly the defacto standard exists, yes, and I won't be landin' me any hot Sorority babes in my bed, but who the FUCK wants those jerks? There are *opinions* out there - opinionated women who know what they like and who have, infact, pursued me in the past. I've gotten my fair share of play, just not lately because I'm so tired of Blacksburg I never go out anymore.

Your mother, though I'm sure you love her to death, has poisoned your mind. She is not trying to help you be a better person, just for the record, she's trying to relive her own glory days. She is trying to make you into her, and that's NEVER going to happen - it never was, not just because of your weight or whatever, but I honestly believe you'd have been disappointed as hell with a life of modelling had you been born thin. You're too intelligent, too questioning, to do whatever anyone tells you infront of a camera. It would've been fun in high school but it would've gotten old.

I had to deal with this SHIT too. My high school was ENTIRELY focussed on atheletics because the "Big College" (snort) we have in this town grants scholarships based on football and basketball prowess. I was constantly beaten to death with dodgeballs at high velocity. I was slammed into lockers, I was told by almost EVERY girl except two (one of whom it turned out was lying to make me feel better, yay) in that school that I was just too fat to date. Period, end of story. I was harassed, I was harangued, the pain never stopped. I finally ended up becoming sortof a goth as my way out, getting an awesome leather jacket and some other things. (right as i type leather jacket, Inna Gadda Da Vida comes on... so perfect) I found a tiny clique who rrespected me for my mind, and as my confidence in myself went up, more and more people started to notice me. Several of the smart girls at school asked me why I never talked to them. I'd just... become used to being hated. (At the end of Veronica Mars season two, she got a standing ovation from over half the class, after spending nearly 3 years as the 'class hated whore.' She was astonished at how many people she'd helped who were genuinely grateful and stopped treating her like ass. I sortof felt like that by the end of my senior year.)

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Re: "So Obviously Not *RIGHT*- what is right?" Go Jess!
[info]trystanknight
2006-11-09 06:23 pm UTC (link)

Then I went to an atheletic-focussed college. I quit after a year. Nobody there respected me for my mind except 2 people and girls simply wouldn't talk to me because I wasn't one of the jocks (though that's partially status, it was also a weight issue).

What I realized, thanks to the help of my friends Chris and Azure, a couple years ago, is that I *have* to leave my past behind. Completely. I cannot continue to let issue after issue mount up, making me more and more angry inside, more and more empty inside. I am what I am, and *someone* is going to love me for that. I've been told by several different women that I'm attractive, so obviously in SOME cases it's true, in some it's not. I've already told you you're attractive, in this case.

As I've said to you before, we are told to look a certain way because that's what fashion designers (who are gay, btw) and photographers (some are not gay) want the world to see. But that's not what *I* want to see. That's not what my friends here, who all love a bit more body weight on a woman, want to see. In those pics you put up, you were genuinely smokin' hot to me, I wasn't lying or buttering you up, they actually made me a bit horny (sorry if that's TMI but I'm driving towards a point.)

For every 4 vapid, empty, vacuous person you meet, there's one intelligent person, who has his own opinions, who has his own beliefs. Those independent thinkers will find different body styles attractive, I know I do, and I know many men in my circle who do as well.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR BODY.

I do want you to love your body. I DO want you to look past this, because what's haunting you here is your past, nothing more. You will not be what mother wanted, because mother expected unattainable goals from you. You will not be what vacuous frat boys want because they suck. But intelligent, thinking, feeling, sensual people such as myself WILL find you attractive, and I want you to revel in it. But that means leaving the past behind, leaving your hatreds of others behind, and leaving your mother's constant (seemingly hurtful) comments behind. To come into your own bodywise, you can judge by no criteria but your own. No magazines, no mother, and no sorostitutes. Society doesn't tell us what beauty is, we *feel* it.

I have (again, partially thanks to Az and Jess) come to think of myself as damn handsome when I want to be. Would I like to get back into shape a bit, yes, and I likely will, especially motivated by this. I want you to see it, really see it.

You deserve nothing less.

You're an amazing person, a good friend, and I feel close to you just because of this issue, and I want you to overcome, like I (mostly) have. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not in the eyes of morons in hollywood and New York who wouldn't know beauty if it bit them in the face (Jessica Simpson, YUCK).

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Re: "So Obviously Not *RIGHT*- what is right?" Go Jess!
[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-09 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Dude, you almost made me cry. At work.

But in a good way. That was amazing. Thank you.

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Re: "So Obviously Not *RIGHT*- what is right?" Go Jess!
[info]trystanknight
2006-11-09 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Jess said precisely the same thing, that's eerie ;)

*huge hugs* I absolutely adore the things I see you write and do, you sound cool as shit, and as Jess often says, I just want you to be happy. I hope someday you can move towards accepting your body as I have (mosty ;) I still have days.)

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[info]clytemenstra
2006-11-09 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for writing this.

Back, a long time ago, when I actually had a boyfriend, I used to get undressed in the dark. Really. Until he finally asked me why. When I told him, he was furious. Furious that I thought me not being a Size 8 weas actually a problem. Because, as he pointed out to me, if he'd wanted someone that size, he'd go out with them.

And also - what does everyone else look like? Virtually everyone I've met has some physical hang up. Seriously.

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-09 06:57 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome. It's something I had to do. I don't know why, I just...did.

Everyone does have physical hangups, but when they're not yours, you don't notice them, you know? ;)

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Remember that talk we were going to have? Here it is... Part 1
[info]lasarina
2006-11-09 07:35 pm UTC (link)
Betcha knew this was coming. (Settle in with a drink honey, this'll take a while.) Body image - it's a bugaboo for all of us female types, and for a significant number of the males too - more now, I think than ever before. It's a biological sizing-up process that unfortunately has been seized upon by Madison Ave., the fashion industry, and our ever increasing ADD/ADHD length of focus of society. Originally, it was the ratio of hip to waist, relative symmetry of features, clear skin, bright eyes and shiny hair of good health that signaled we were a good breeding partner. Oh, and something else - wide, well-padded hips and bigger boobies. You know, wide birth canal and the evil *gasp* fat  that would ensure that you could 1. conceive (drop your body fat below ~20% and fertility and periods, um get really spotty :)) and 2. feed said offspring. That is where the oh so wonderful, float-on-clouds, rip-each-others-clothes-off-at-every-opportunity hormones are leading, you know that, right?
Speaking of hormones - those lovely things that make us feel so good (or the sudden lack of that makes us homicidal at certain times.) We all have all of them - just in varying amounts. Men have estrogen, just not as much as us. We have testosterone, just not as much as men (though high testosterone women are lots of fun *EG*). Estrogen, oxytocin, prolactin, progesterone (to a lesser extent) are the biggies for us. They cause lactation, ovulation, menstruation, maintain pregnancies, protect our hearts, our bones, our brains, and a whole host of things that we are just figuring out.
They also are responsible for your body holding on to fat like Jack Dawson holding onto a floating board after the Titanic belly-up'd.
Those super-models who look like refugees from Dachau? They don't have those hormones working in their bodies. Bring your body fat too low, and they shut off faster than a speeding car in front of a state trooper. They are genetically female, but not biochemically. This is the ideal in our society? Maybe for Foley and Haggard, but jeez.
Consider our societal ideas of maternal or grandmotherly - warm, soft, comforting, enveloping, caring, cushioning, and comfort food (which is either sweet and fat, or starch and fat) - when was the last time you visualized running to have your boo-boo kissed and made all better by a dessicated skeleton?

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Remember that talk we were going to have? Here it is... Part 2
[info]lasarina
2006-11-09 09:05 pm UTC (link)
So what happened? If you look at societal standards, zaftig women historically have been the "It" girl for several thousands of years. Pre-Industrial Period, it especially made sense. Having enough food - and enough leisure to acquire padding was to be desired (fair skin too btw - it meant you didn't have to spend all your time out in field and forest, schleping it to hold body and soul together.) But after the mechanization and the move of the populace to the city, the distribution of food, and its effects on society changed.
Super-farms began emerging which produced high yields by automated farm equipment. So the populace, no longer working on the farm expending 6,000-7,000 cal/day to bring home the bacon, expended a few hundred at an office desk and at the grocery store for the same bacon. And a new paradigm emerged. Actually, it was the mirror image of an old one, if you could forgive the irony.
Prior to the Industrial Revolution, only the upper classes had the resources to increase their caloric intake to the "prosperous plump," based of course on the labor of their farmers on the land that they owned. This indeed was the basis of the feudalism that reigned in Europe in the Dark and Middle Ages. Once food began to become plentiful, either by better farming or industrial farming, all the classes had access to more calories, and thus could become curvy and stout.
This provided the upper classes with a dilemma. They could no longer differentiate with just a glance who was of their social class, and who was not (since with wealth increasing too, the commoners could afford better dress as well). So since the lower classes were gaining weight, the upper classes began to lose weight, and to put much, much more importance on appearance. Upper-middle and higher classes work out more, spend a much higher percentage of their income on diet products, grooming products and clothes. After all, "You can never be too rich or too thin." If you don't believe me, go to your closest yuppie, I mean country club. Count how many overweight people you see (that aren't staff.)
You won't need all of one hand.
    What has this to do with female insecurities? Well, a lot. Madison Ave., The Garment District, Hollywood - you name it, they sell it. And what they're selling is - illusion of course. If you're thin - you're rich. If you're thin - you'll have Mr. Perfect. Your house will clean itself, you'll have a perfect life, yada, yada. Everyone loves the skinny kid. Except not. The reason we like people, or don't, doesn't have to do with clothing size or shoe size, or their address, or if Saturn was in Opposition to Pluto while Mercury was having lattes with Venus while Mars wasn't looking (and if you were that kind of person, we wouldn't be on our mutual friends lists.)  A bunch of sharks in expensive Italian suits are using the measuring sticks of small, self-important snobs (they have to be self-important; they surely aren't important otherwise) to sell people like your mother her dream, one product at a time, all the while moving the goalpost every play, and laughing themselves silly all the way to the bank with her hard earned money. And I speak from experience; I was married to someone from this class for 20 years - and I saw it all.

Is this what you want goading you for the rest of your life? Did it make your Mom happy?

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Remember that talk we were going to have? Here it is... Part 3 And Finis
[info]lasarina
2006-11-09 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Now we get down to the nitty-gritty. Honey, I've been you. I was a curvaceous, wide-hipped, big- well, you get it - as a teen (I started wearing a bra in 4th grade.) I added weight during times of stress. I blew out my knee on a nautilus machine. I exercised myself silly, ate 600 cal a day and starved myself down to an "acceptable" size. And promptly gained back, and then some. I lost weight in pregnancy (I'm 5'1" with a 31 in inseam - long legs - I joked about carrying kids in my larynx!) but gained back. I have cortisol issues that affect my weight distribution, as well as a couple of arthritises, hip and spine damage, etc, asthma, you get the picture. Not a lot that I can do - but I can empathize about the body betraying you. As for the scars - I had 5 abdominal surgeries in 5 years. Vertical incisions, horizontal incisions, not only does it look like a road map, it has created hernias that cause weird bulges everywhere. Once again - I understand.
But- and this is a big one - I do have one advantage over you. Time. Yes, my breasts are sagging now - but I know its because I fed my children from there. When I see it, I remember their tiny mouths, their perfect hands, the feel of their bodies snuggled next to mine, their bright eyes watching me as their hand grasped my finger. Those stretch marks? Lying in bed, in the darkness, feeling the flutter of my children underneath my heart. I always have believed that mothers are so lucky - we get to know our children from the inside of us for 9 months.
There are other things that I can read in my body, not so pleasant, yet are part of my story as well. My skull fracture, from being backhanded into a washing machine by my father, swells and aches during a migraine. My spine twists and causes pain because of repeated beatings, once again by my father, over many years. Yet I have survived. I ended the cycle of abuse. I raised wonderful, sane, children. And I am building my life with the man I love. And who loves me and every part of my body; for my body tells my story, both within and without.

I have read your beautiful Irish Boy's journal, and he seems to be strong, loving and deep. Do you truly believe so little in him, that he would not honor and love the body that holds you? Or do you believe that maybe he will look too deep, and love too little, and run away?

I tried for many years to run away from myself, and from my body. Yet, in the mirror of my love's eyes, I saw, not what I feared, but what I never expected. Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater my dear. You are thoughtful, caring, committed, loving, intelligent and beautiful - those things lie within that same body.

"Love your neighbor as yourself." The converse is also true - If it were me, or another hating their body, what would you counsel? Same applies to you.

"A new commandment I give unto you - that you Love one another as I have Loved you." What would He say?

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Re: Remember that talk we were going to have? Here it is... Part 3 And Finis
[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-10 02:23 am UTC (link)
Good god. This entire thing was incredible. I...don't know what to say. Except to say thank you. And that I wish you were my mom.

Everything that you said was very valid and very correct. And right. By which I mean it jived with me. It wasn't the whole mystical, "Love your body! Whee!" stuff that I seemed to encounter in the college years. It was sound, practical advice, which is what I needed.

You have, quite possibly, the luckiest children on the planet.

I talked to my Boy tonight, and as I did, I kept all of this (and what everyone else told me) in mind. And you were right. He loves me for me, and I love him for him. All of him - body, mind and spirit. And not only does he respect me, but he makes me feel treasured. What the hell was I so worried about?

I think I'm going to be ok. And I think I know what they mean about loving your body now. I feel at peace for the first time in a long time. Possibly ever.

I don't know how I can pay you back, but say the word and I'm there. It's the very least I can do.

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[info]gefingerpoken
2006-11-09 07:49 pm UTC (link)
Oh lordy, do I ever know how you feel.

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-09 07:54 pm UTC (link)
Good to know I'm not the only one.

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[info]shadownex
2006-11-09 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Dang, a lot of good comments here.
I agree with TrystanKnight and others- your mom poisoned your self-confidence at an early age by pushing her own body issues onto you. Parents do this alot. It doesn't make you damaged goods or anything. Remember all those other areas in which you feel comfortable and talented. Parents can so easily influence a child's mindset. Take me- sure, I'm skinny, but so's my mom. My dad's only fat because he let himself go- otherwise he'd be your typical American male, big but not courting a heart attack. (or maybe that is the typical American male these days... scary...) My mom is hypersensitive about weight issues because her own mom got fat, and her body wasn't designed to carry weight. She was small boned and weighed less than 100 pounds when she was married. (this is back in the days when people didn't get enough to eat) I always remember my grandmother as heavy, and she died a few years ago of heart problems. (on a side note, my mom said she didn't consider you fat- and believe me, she has said some nasty things about my friends before)
So, my mom's weight sensitivity influenced me, whether I liked it or not. It helps that I have her body type. My dad's mother is on the small side, too. It also helps that I love to exercise- part of having an older brother as a best friend all through childhood, perhaps? Boys are directed toward more active play. The girls who play hard, the tomboys among us, typically either become jocks (here used to positively to denote someone active in school sports) or just quit to follow society's view of proper young ladies.
Now, the whole "must become a lady" thing skipped me. Or maybe I ignored it. Again, blame my brother (ya hear that!). Rather than delving into clothes and boys, I got into the video games and anime he was playing and renting. I consider myself lucky in this regard, even if my mom reminds me every ten minutes that I'm single and childless.
This all being said, we can't change the past (yet... I'm working on it). So keep exercising, because it's good for you. Keep eating healthy, because it's good for you. I still struggle with being short and somewhat fragile among giant men in the martial arts- one solid hit and there go my ribs and spleen. Sure, most women pride themselves on being fragile, but I'm not most woman. There's one woman in my class who's a lean, ripped six footer, and is she ever badass.
About your asthma, did you ever get it checked out by a doctor? I remember mentioning that sometimes asthma can be psychosomatic because you're working out, you're waiting for it to hit, and then it does. Screw your mom- tell her to get her OWN asthma, this one's yours.
And I, too, think scars are cool. I've got a few on my face, for instance. Just make sure you moisterize the area.
And remember- the heavier you are, the harder you are to kidnap.

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-10 02:29 am UTC (link)
Thanks, hon. I hope you weren't upset by any of the stuff in here. I went slightly off the rails, but all this stuff needed to be said.

You've been putting up with my crap for how long now? And you have yet to kill me in my sleep, even though I know you could. You've always been very, very supportive, and I appreciate that. I'm lucky to have friends like you, and I know it.

(And I'm not one those girls who prides themselves on being fragile, either. Though I think I'll let you be the badass of the group. I'll just stand to the side and provide witty commentary. Either that or scream to temporarily deafen your opponent.)

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[info]shadownex
2006-11-11 03:48 am UTC (link)
I prefer not to kill my friends in their sleep, because I'd run out of friends real fast. Killing friends while awake is also frowned upon. Now, killin friends in MY sleep, well, I can't recall ever doing so...
Your post got me to thinking about my childhood and how it's made me what I am today. And it reminded me of the two things I love the most- being active like a loon and creating. Which is why I'm concentrating on a career drawing and writing crazy stories. Yay!

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[info]myz_lilith
2006-11-10 01:13 am UTC (link)
Let me ask you this:

When you look at him, are you mentally measuring him up to male models and action man studs in the media? Or is it that curve of an eyebrow, the shape of a hip, and even (for many people in fact, especially) the slightly too-skinny arms or rounded belly? The things that make him... well... him.

And that's how he feels about you. Nobody really wants a barbie doll.

I mean, most of us have swooned over a gorgeous body or face on the far side of the room at some point or another. But I'd bet if you think back over the people that have ~really~ touched you, made you feel something, that physically they all had their own individual quirks and imperfections, that at the very least blended into the overall package, and at most were actually a big part of their charm.

People have already spoken very eloquently about not falling prey to your mother's issues and the whole big body-image trap, but here's a few things I find it helps me to remember:

It's been recently shown that people with a BMI of 26-27 (technically "overweight") who exercise regularly are in fact healthier than people with w "normal" bodyweight who lead sedate lifestyles. Point is, if you want to do things to make you feel good about your body, then go for it! But don't base it all on weight/dress size. Base it on how fit you feel, what you can do, how healthy you know you're being. There's no harm at all in trying to "improve" your body, but make it an internal thing, not just based on looks, sizes and weight. If you can't find a way to love the way you look in a mirror, find other physical things to love about yourself, and take it from there.
(Vague quote from a recovering anorexic's journal, paraphrased cos I can't quite remember: 'My partner and I nowadays don't congratulate any friend that announces they've lost weight. It's not always a good thing. But if someone tells us that they can now walk up four flights of stairs without getting out of breath, or can play with their kids for longer without getting worn out, then that's brilliant. That's what counts.')

There have also been many studies showing that people who lose weight often still feel fat and anxious about their appearance, even once they hit a healthy weight. In fact, most anorexics feel fat, that's why they still don't eat even when they're down to 6 stone and hospitalised. It's easy to believe that there's some magic milestone weight or dress size that when you hit it, clothes will fit perfectly, you'll suddenly feel like a million dollars and look like a supermodel. But unfortunately it doesn't always happen like that, probably doesn't often happen like that. It's a bit like love, or the perfect job - you can;t put your life on hold just waiting for it to come along, and if it does happen it won't magically make everything in your life good - you still have to work at that from within yourself. No reason why losing weight can't be one of the things that makes you feel good about yourself, but making it the ~only~ thing that will make you feel good about your body won't necessarily lead to happiness.

When various men and women were surveyed about their ideal body shape in a partner, the shape most women thought men wanted them to be was a couple of sizes smaller at least than the one that most men picked as their ideal woman's figure. I came to realise how true this was when with groups of male friends that count me as one of the lads - I remember sitting round TV one night and one of them said something about Kylie Minogue being hot - to which another guy replied, "Well, she might be good looking if she wasn't so skinny" and the rest all chiming in in agreement... point is not only is the boy very much NOT going to be comparing you to supermodels because he's too busy thinking about the real actual you to even consider them - but that even if he'd never met you, if he was shown body shapes and asked to pick his favourite, it'd be your kind of figure he'd point out, not a boy-child model one.

It's been proved, see. By science!

Seriously hon, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I'm guessing he wouldn't trade an inch of you. Literally.

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-10 02:37 am UTC (link)
When you look at him, are you mentally measuring him up to male models and action man studs in the media? Or is it that curve of an eyebrow, the shape of a hip, and even (for many people in fact, especially) the slightly too-skinny arms or rounded belly? The things that make him... well... him.


Damn, you nailed it. Truly. It's funny how, while I find models and actors and musicians aesthetically pleasing, I'd much rather look at and be with my Boy. Because he's him. :) (And if you're wondering what he looks like, there are a few pictures of me, him, [info]shadownex and [info]mavra_chang being ridiculous at the zoo here.)

Thanks for those examples, by the way. They really did help, and I think I'll carry them with me mentally from now on. It'll be good to have onhand.

You're wonderful. Everyone on my flist is. I think a "thank you" post is in order!

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Beauty and perception
[info]faeriechild
2006-11-10 03:47 am UTC (link)
Its always so odd for me to hear you talk about how much you hate your body. As so many others have said, body image/acceptance is a major crisis in almost every woman's life in our time.

The things that so weird for me, is at one point in my life, I had an ideal body type. I was 5'4" - somewhere between 120 and 125 and had a C cup. It was the time that you and I knew were closest. And I hated my body, I hated it as an extension of myself. You know how screwed up I was back then. I really really hated myself and my life. Hating my body was a natural extension. I hated my hair - how straight and flat and oily it always seemed to be. I hated the shape of my body - I was convinced my thighs were too big. I was certain that my belly stuck out further than my breast. The thing I hated the most was my face, and my skin. I was quite certain that the only thing anyone saw when they looked at me was a bunch of zits. And my gross, pale, yellowish skin only provided a way to highlight the bright red of the zits. I look at pictures of myself from those days, and the picture doesn't connect with how I saw myself in my minds eye in that time and place.
But back to what I meant to write about. I don't tell you this to flatter you, or try to make you feel better about yourself. But mostly to show you the other side of the coin. I remember seeing you before I really knew you. In those days, I was one of many skinny white girls trying to be the most perfect skinny white girl. I think that was part of the reason I was so completely unaccepting of my body. I remember seeing you around, talking to people I know. I remember thinking 'my god, who is that girl? She is so pretty." I remember wondering how a real person actually got to look like that. Even when we were really close friends, I remember being jealous of your hair, your complexion, the shape of your face, your dark eyes. I remember going through photo albums of highschool with friends in college and actually saying to people "This is Katie at OU - one of the most beautiful people I have ever known."
I share all this with you because I think its helpful to know that there may be one stereotypical beauty standard, its not the beauty standard that we're all holding ourselves to. There are still days I wish for nothing more than curly hair, big dark eyes, and olive skin that would hide more blemishes. The problem, as I see it, is that no matter what we see as beauty, we (meaning pretty much any woman in any modern "First world" country) are taught that we are something lesser and not good enough for not being that ourselves. I have an answer, I just see that as the problem.

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Re: Beauty and perception
[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-10 04:22 am UTC (link)
You? Are awesome.

I'm kind of surprised to hear that you thought I was pretty, when I always thought you were the better looking of the two of us. And now here we are, old women, but both of us beautiful. (And I can say that now and mean it for me, too! Yay!)

And the most recent photos you have of me are from high school? That's insane! There are somewhat recent photos of me over at [info]mavra_chang's Flickr account, a link to which should be on her profile page. They're candid shots, so you get to see what I look like in various forms of attire and inebriation.

Thanks again, though. You really, truly have a knack for knowing just what to say. :)

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[info]ultimategirl
2006-11-10 04:33 pm UTC (link)
I'll cop to being one of the people who keeps telling you to love your body. I do it because I truly believe all bodies have their own beauty... now. I didn't always, and it was a long road to get to this point.

You want body-hatred? I'm a survivor of both anorexia and bulimia. You don't do that shit to yourself without some serious self-loathing going on. I knew I was smart, knew I had talents and developed them, and I STILL set about destroying my own body. Because, in the end, I had absorbed all those messages that, unless and until I met certain standards, my appearance wasn't good enough. I jeopardized my health and my life trying to meet those standards.

It took me years to learn that my body was good enough. To learn that this is the only body I will have in this life, and that it is special, unique, and damn it! GOOD ENOUGH! I spent years trying to shrink this body so that it would take up less space, and got very close to disappearing. It took me more years to learn that, yes, I am entitled to take up some space.

If I went back in time and told my younger self to love her body, she would likely disbelieve me just as you do. I would keep telling her anyway. Because I know that eventually the message did get through for me. I only wish someone had started trying to get the message to me sooner.

So, yeah. Been there, done that. Gonna keep reaching out my hand to pull whomever I can out.

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[info]gairid
2006-11-10 04:34 pm UTC (link)
You know what I like about you? You're honest/ You have the guts to stand up and say what you are thinking and feeling, even when it comes down to a personal and obviosly tough level--that's admirable and that's courageous.

As for the upcoming swimming sessions in March? Goodness, this man has already *seen* the truth of who and what you are; I can't believe seeing you in a swimsuit will change anything. That said, though, I very much understand your insecurity. People can talk about loving their bodies in whatever form it may have, but for those of us who struggle with weight, it's much easier to say such a thing than to actually feel it. I am more comfortable with myself than I have been for a very long time, but I can't say that I love my body--I would like it much more if it looked like it did when I was in high school. I was one of those slender blond girls, you see, though I was most definitely a geeky girl who was on the fringes of things. Thin and average pretty doesn't mean automatic happiness. I began putting on weight in my late twenties, after I'd had a child and was in the process of getting out of a train wreck of a marriage That was something that would not have even happened had I been honest about the fact that, well, I'm not really attracted to men at all. Catholic school, the times, my own lack of understanding about myself---lot of things may have been to blame, but what emerged was someone quite a bit heavier and much more depressed than the child who got married just to be like all her friends.

Those days are long past and there are days when I pass the mirror and I'm startled by the middle-aged chubby lady that looks back at me. I'm a basically cheerful person and it's that trait that has gotten me through a lot of difficulty--I'm here to say that you can reach compromises with yourself. It's not essential to be totally satisfied with your looks in order to live a good, happy, contented life. Looks are negligable in the scheme of things...they change and they fade and people get older and they sag and their bodies break down in a million small ways.

You have a good mind and a great heart--you are a person who cares about others and that means so much in these times. Do not ever imagine that because you are not the insanely thin female that passes for beauty these days that you are not a beautiful person.

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[info]zarq
2006-11-10 05:09 pm UTC (link)
*hugs* What an amazing post. You're incredibly **wrong** about something, but I'll get into that further down.

Have you seen What Dreams May Come? It's a difficult movie to watch. Flawed, but it's still on my all-time favorite movies list.

Robin Williams' children die. His wife has a nervous breakdown. He nurses her back to health, then he dies in an accident. He goes to heaven.

There's a scene in the movie where actress Rosalind Chao meets Robin Williams in heaven. He's looking for his kids, and she's acting as his guide between areas. While they're travelling by boat, she asks him to tell her a special memory that he has about his kids. He talks about playing chess with his little girl. She in turn tells him a story: When she was young, she took a flight with her father. An Asian stewardess served them drinks and he commented to his daughter that he thought Asian women were the most beautiful women in the world. So because she can be whomever she wants in heaven, his guide has taken the form of that stewardess. So she too, can be beautiful.

Williams daughter was a bit tomboyish and nerdy, you see. The offhand comment he made to her on that plane made more of an emotional impact than he ever imagined. We take what other people say to heart and acceptance (both by others and ourselves) is a complex animal.

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-10 05:48 pm UTC (link)
You know, you're the second person to say that this is a good post, which amazes me. I was all worried that it was going to come across as self-indulgent ANGST in big, black font. But I guess it didn't. Still got it, apparently. :)

I've never seen that movie, but I've heard very, very good things about it. And it's very true how the smallest, shortest statements can have the biggest impact. I don't know why that is, but I've seen and experienced it myself.

Thanks for commenting. You always know what to say. *hugs*

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[info]zarq
2006-11-10 06:43 pm UTC (link)
...which amazes me.

You are placing something in the spotlight about yourself that most women deliberately avert their eyes from. You've shared a very scary, personal and intimate thing and as you can see from the people who have commented, you're not alone. It wasn't angsty. It was honest - you're talking about how you're planning on tackling your next scary moment, too. One you're doing as a challenge because it's the right thing to do. That's positive!!!

I have issues with the way I look and my weight. I don't talk about it publicly, but I do. I hate being overweight. I hate how nervous and jumpy and jittery I used to be about everything -- and it's taken so damned long to be comfortable enough in my own skin that I'm not like that anymore. My introversion used to be extreme to the point of paralyzing and at times still is. I'm working on changing myself and it's extremely hard. But if I don't work at it, I'll never be happy.

I suspect the vast majority of people feel anxious about themselves and have no idea how they appear to others. Look at your friend, above, who always knew you were more beautiful than she was even while you perhaps, thought the same in reverse. Perspective, perspective, perspective. *hugs back*

If you can rent WDMC, do. It's hard to watch, but worth it.

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[info]zarq
2006-11-10 05:43 pm UTC (link)
We've met. You know what I look like. I know what you look like. And I'm very happily married, so I think I can get away with saying this because you know there's no ulterior motive behind it. :)

You're beautiful. Even if you don't believe it. Even if you're utterly convinced you're not. I'm glad your boyfriend sees it because I suspect he's going to have a lot to teach you about how some men (and one man in particular,) see(s) you. I'm honestly not trying to dismiss your feelings here and I'm not trying to be condescending. It's just.... let me try to explain:

Not everyone in this world is attracted to the anorexic, Nicole "damn girl, have a fucking shrimp or something" Ritchie look. Some of us actually like women who don't look like plague victims. Not every guy holds it as their ideal dream to go to bed with someone so brainless that if they held their breath their head would implode from the sudden vacuum. Or whose skeleton is visible through their skin. Or who looks like they might snap in half if things get interesting. Where's the fun in that? Some of us like women who look like women and not underage boys. I think the urge to date childlike women has a LOT to do with subconscious control issues. But that's a whole 'nother comment.

You're right. Our bodies evolve and grow and that's the fun of being alive. We'd be boring as hell without our life experiences, wouldn't we? Everyone's body is a tribute to the life they've lived.

Trust me on this, ok? You know the statistics for what sizes women think are attractive vs., what men do, no? I work in and around an industry that tells the world that men's idea of beauty is a 16-year old, typically flat-chested, awkward size zero girl that walks like a newborn colt and drinks her way through 20 calories on a good day. That's 100% bullshit. It's not NORMAL. My wife doesn't look like Gemma Ward. You've seen R's picture: she's a hell of a lot more beautiful.

I dated a lot of women with all kinds of body types before I got married. Thin, short, tall, chubby and fat. Big chested, tiny chested. Wide and thin hips. Stretch marks, scars and unmarred skin. I've known women who dressed and undressed and made love in the dark (like the commenter above,) because they were afraid that if their bodies were seen in daylight, they'd be an object of disgust. Or who never would take their bra off even in an intimate moment because they loathed the way they looked topless. So many had body issues -- and they just broke my heart because they were incapable of seeing how incredibly gorgeous they were no matter how they thought they looked. I sincerely hope they all found happiness and self-acceptance, eventually. I hope I didn't impede that.

You have nothing to worry about. He loves you. Do what you need to so you can feel more comfortable, but please don't worry too much, ok?

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[info]zarq
2006-11-10 05:49 pm UTC (link)
errr.... newborn *filly*. :)

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[info]kiji_kat
2006-11-10 05:57 pm UTC (link)
If I had an older brother, I'd want it to be you. God damn.

I'm so glad I know you, and not just because it gives me an insider's look into "the industry," as it were. It's because, as I said above, you always know what to say. You always offer sound, solid advice, and you're great at assuring people. That's a real gift. :)

You're married, and I'm wildly in love, but I can tell you this: You're a good-looking guy, and Robin is lucky as hell to have you.

*hugs again* Thanks for being awesome. :)

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[info]whordorable
2006-11-14 09:27 pm UTC (link)
Katie,

I can't add much to what everyone else said. You have some extremely perceptive and articulate friends. I too think that this was a very good post.

But I know where you're coming from. I too felt ugly from a young age, because of my natural shape and features. My big nose and chin, and my short waist that makes me look heavy even when I'm not unless I wear very formfitting clothes. It's not an overnight route to loving your body. But the changes themselves can happen in a moment if you are willing to forgive your body for not looking like you want/ed, and forgive you for beating yourself up about it.

If you want to read more of my own thoughts on losing weight and learning to like my body, feel free to check out my old journal: [info]both_please. It has a lot of entries about working out and enjoying being active. I don't know if they would be helpful to you or not.

But I have made more progress in liking my body since I stopped thinking about all this. I don't have a bathroom mirror - I never see myself reflected. When I do see myself I am surprised that I look better than I thought. And it's interesting to me to see the changes in myself time and life makes when it's been a while since I've looked in a mirror. I have just been focused on my daily life and when I exercise a little and eat right, the rest comes on its own and is better off not overthought. At least, that's the case for me. But I had to do some strenuous workouts to get rid of the accumulation of years of sitting on my ass! :]

But that's beside the point. I just wanted to say that I love you and I hope you will one day find yourself as beautiful as Conor, me and the rest of your friends do.

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